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AgustaWestland deal: Sonia Gandhi is guilty as hell, Subramanian Swamy tells Karan Thapar
Mr Karan Thapar is a well known Indian journalist and a television commentator and interviewer. Karan Thapar is the youngest child of former General Pran Thapar and cousin of famous left-leaning historian Romila Thapar.

In one of the most controversial interviews on the AgustaWestland VVIP helicopter deal with Subramanian Swamy, Karan Thapar asked him why the Modi government did not go in appeal on the AgustaWestland deal, even though the earlier UPA government was part of the prosecution.  

Opposition members had raised the same question during the debate in Parliament wondering as to why the Modi government had not raised the issue for two long years? To this Swamy said, "Yes it should have been investigated."

He said that he knew who was responsible but would not say. Swami responded and said, "I do not trust you."

"So this was a lapse…." Karan asked and Swamy exploded the bomb shell, "It was not lapse it was complicity."

 Thapar said, "Someone in the Modi government?"

 Swamy clarified, "I did not say it was the Modi government."

Swamy lapsed regularly to hurling personal insults questioning Thapar's credibility, and at one stage even said, "Your parents have not brought you up properly."

Despite Karan's persistent questioning Subramanian Swamy was unable to give a firm indication that his demand for Congress president Sonia Gandhi to be interrogated by the CBI was based on more than an initial letter from arms dealer Christian Michel that she was the 'driving force' behind the deal.

The piercing journalist Karan Thapar confronted him with contradictory claims by Michel where he had stated that he was being forced by Indian investigating agencies to implicate the Gandhi's in the deal with the assurance that all cases and the investigation against him would be dropped.

During the interview Thapar observed that this would make people watching the interview feel that Swamy did not have the evidence to prove the point against Sonia Gandhi and the Congress party. The mercurial Rajya Sabha MP – a new guided missile of saffron brigade dismissed the suggestion by saying that social media would have the last word. But the interview stands out for three other important points that Swamy made against the Modi government and his former and present BJP colleagues.

When Thapar pointed out that it had to be the Modi government as the formal letter was sent to the court by the Indian embassy in Rome saying that the government was not going in appeal, and hence the instructions could have come only from the government.

To this Swamy was more candid and bold. He replied that of course it was sent by the government, but the government could have been misled.

 Interestingly, when Karan suggested the name of Shri Arun Jaitley as a person who was protecting the Gandhi family, Subramanian Swamy refused to disclose any names. Just recently in Frankfurt Finance Minister Arun Jaitley had told that it was only when substantive evidence comes out that there will be reason to believe who has taken the money.

When Thapar reminded him about Shri Jaitley's statement, he retorted, "You have to question him. I have never asked him about the National Herald either, there also he said that if they pay back the money it will all be over. That is all rubbish. The fact is that it is my opinion, and I express my opinion."

Shri Swamy also said that he too had been the Law Minister, he was the Commerce Minister, he was a Member of Parliament for longer (than Jaitley), three times directly elected and "I have evaluated the evidence, I have a track record, I am telling you she is guilty. She is guilty as hell."

Thapar reminded Swamy that the first decision to lower the height requisition for the choppers that is said to have helped qualify the AgustaWestland choppers for the tender from 6000 metres to 4500 metres was taken by NSA Brajesh Mishra under the Vajpayee government. Swamy ji agreed to this but said that this was a minute decision, but it was not a government decision and hence not binding. The ex-Harvard Professor Subramanian Swamy used the strong words he is known for - He (Mishra) was a bug for the Congress party. To garnish the dialogue journalist Thapar used the words cat paw, Trojan horse, to which Swamy responded with a firm, "Yes, he was a Trojan horse."

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