Bureaucracy out to ruin armed forces in India
It is a sad commentary on the Indian political class that first time in the history of independent India, the armed forces decided to appeal for justice to the political masters against the ongoing mischief of bureaucrats over the Sixth Pay Commission
It is a sad commentary on the Indian political class that first time in the history of independent India, the country’s armed forces decided to appeal for justice to the Indian political masters against the ongoing mischief of the bureaucrats concerning the Sixth Pay Commission. These gentlemen are ever ready to bring down the stature of the armed forces, but so much are the Indian politicians under the influence of these Babus that they dare not annoy them. There is just no reason why the armed forces should get inferior pay and perks as compared to their pen pushing civilian counterparts in the IAS and other central services working from their plush offices on an eight hour time schedule. What is so special that these Babaus are doing for which they must get additional pay and perks? They do not even have accountability.
Since 16 December 2008 ex-servicemen are on relay hunger strike still nobody is taking any notice. A large number of ex–servicemen and their families in disgust have returned their most cherished possession, the medals of gallantry earned by them in defending their beloved country including making supreme sacrifice of their lives, back to the President of India, after a rally on 8 February 2009 in New Delhi. These ex-servicemen are protesting the raw deal given to the armed forces in the Sixth Pay Commission. If this had happened in any other country it would have shaken up the entire nation but not MERA BHARAT MAHAN and its power brokers the NETA-BABU COMBINE. They have sufficient money stashed away in Swiss Bank Accounts to bother about what damage all this is doing to the morale of the armed forces in particular and security of the country in general.
In Britain and America, the two oldest democracies of the world, the best-paid organization are their armed forces. So why not in India? At least they can be paid at par with these Babus? Why should the cream of Indian youth join the armed forces if they are made to feel that they can get better pay and perks as also a comfortable life in pen pushing and no accountability jobs? In any case why should there be a common pay commission for civil services and armed forces with all this jugglery going on for parity? Armed forces have absolutely different working conditions and job requirements then their civilian counter parts. There should be a separate pay commission for the armed forces which is a long-standing demand of theirs. Incidentally this request of the armed forces has now been conceded by the GOM. However for its implementation the forces will have to wait for ten more years.
In America an Army General, Eisenhower was President, General Colin Powell was the Secretary of State during the first tenure of Bush. In the new American President Obamas cabinet, two of his ministers are former generals. In Britain the future King as a tradition has to serve in the Navy, so why in India are members of the armed forces both serving and retired kept away from the process of decision making even in matters concerning national security? The current National Security Adviser is a policeman. Before him it was a bureaucrat.
If the government can pass a law that medical students will have to serve for some time in rural areas before they will be given their degree then why cannot a law be passed making five years military service compulsory for all IAS and IPS officers and officers of other central services after they get selected? This apart from taking care of crippling deficiencies in the officer cadres of the armed forces will imbibe love for the country and sacrifice to these budding bureaucrats. What better way to serve the nation by the bureaucracy?
If India wants to be counted in the world as a power then it has no option but to have a lean and mean military force that must be kept well fed, paid, equipped and trained. Democracy or not we Indians have to learn that in international arena there is still a Jungle Raj, which is functioning on the principle of the survival of the fittest. The power still comes from the barrel of a gun. The recent Mumbai carnage should motivate the Neta-Babu combine of this country to wake up before it is too late.
.To the extent of the specific role an IFS IAS IPS & Men in uniform one should not compare. As individual job has got its own privalages benefits and job requirement. But one should understand that no democracy can run without an excellent balance of Military and Civil services. If that is the case and their is no possible comparission of job between each serives then .......... why the submission of the best of Armed Forces ie three chiefs of the services has not been honoured. Why this issue itself has come. Why Civil services officers have not recommended govt to honour the request of armed forces to remove the anomoly.. Are officers of IAS IPS IFS etc today or tommorrow prepared/would be ready to go down in status and salaries to their present status. If not then they dont have any right to do so with any body including the Armed forces of India.
.India is a greatcontry and its citizens are very brave,they want to spent everthing for our country because in innicient INDIAN people were very simple and respective for their guest ,they have no any type of hate for any people of any country so it no reason that that there is unemloyment in india they love their country and want to secrifice every thing for country it is reason a nomber of candidates are call for army every child of our country love for our BHARAT. HIDUSTAN JINDABAD DESH KE JAWANO & SASHIDON KO MERA PARNAM.
.Part-6: Army should introspect and the writer should collect more knowledge about the bureaucracy. The bureaucrats has to work in lot of pressures of both the citizens and politicians and they don��t have that much freedom what army is enjoying. See the condition of policemen. Their jawans are also sacrificing life in day to day operations but their sacrifices and not being glamorized as in case of army which is good in tapping public sentiments. So dear Brigadier please ask something and do something for ur jawans and stop cursing the bureaucracy. See how the senior officers of army have acquired properties in metros and see what senior officers are army doing at their respective places of postings. Introspect more and find out who is ruining Army? The lives of IAS officers and even IPS, IFS officers are much more tough and they have to perform jobs what 10 colonels do in Army. At least Army officer gets good posting after serving in J&K and NE but the AIS officers have to stay there whole life barring a few who are able to manage postings. They are much more accountable for their day to day work than any Army officer. So stop blaim game and raise voice for ur genuine demands.
I do agree with priyamwad...... to the extent of the specific role an IFS IAS IPS & Men in uniform. But he/she should understand that no democracy can run without an excellent balance of Milatary and Civil services. If that is the case and their is no possible comparission of job each serives are require to carryout then .......... why the submission of the best of Armed Forces ie three chiefs of the services has not been honoured. Why this issue itself has come. Why Civil services officers have not rec govt to honour the request of armed forces to remove the anomoly.. Are officers of IAS IPS IFS etc today or tommorrow prepared/would be ready to go down in status and salaries to their present status. If not then they dont have any right to do so with any body including the Armed forces of India.
.Part-5: They are being trained for this purpose and get additional benefit on posting there. Even in the Leh the army is getting additional perks on posting but the civil officers�� do not get a single penny extra and they have to spend even more in Leh. The army is getting all supplies through air route and even wine and luxury items but the civil employees has to fight even for the basic needs. In normal conditions also if u calculate and compare the cost of organization between one army person and a civil employee in terms of travel benefit, canteen facilities etc the civil employee will stand nowhere. The more unfortunate is that nobody is talking to improve the conditions of Jawans but only talking about the facilities of officers. The truth is that the conditions of Jawans are very poor in Army and the officer enjoys at the cost of Jawans. No officer of the rank of Lt Col or Col ever goes on operations. This is only upto the level of major. If u see the list of army men sacrificing life in any war or operation it is a Rifeleman or lt or the captain. U��ll rarely hear a Lt Col Col or above sacrificing life.
MR PRIYAMWAD, YOU ARE JUST THAT... A THIRD RATE CENTRAL GOVT EMPOLOYEE WHO HAS CONTINUED IN THE COLONIAL MODE OF BEING A RULER RATHER THAN A PUBLIC SERVANT THAT YOU ACTUALLY ARE. CURSING THE ARMY WILL DO YOU NO GOOD AS THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY KNOW WHAT THE REALITY IS. WHETHER YOU WORK TILL LATE IN THE NIGHT OR NOT THE END RESULT IS A BIG ZERO AS THE NON FUNCTIONAL ADMINSTRATION IN THIS COUNTRY STANDS WITNESS TO. TALKING ABOUT ARMY OFFICERS ABOVE LTCOL NOT LEADING THEIR MEN.. DEAR SIR YOU PEOPLE NEVER LEAD YOUR MEN FROM THE VERY DAY YOU EARN THE IAS OR IPS SUFFIX. ONE ODD BRETHREN OF YOURS WHO TRIES TO BE A COWBOY AND GETS SHOT FOR HIS STUPIDITY IS HONOURED WITH ASHOK CHAKRA. SO DONT MAKE STATEMENT TO CLEAR YOURE COUNCINCE . BE HAPPY UPSURPING THE TAXPAYERS WEALTH TO AMASS PROPERTY AND EDUCATE CHILDREN ABROAD.AS FOR YOUR PERFORMANCE DO VISIT SINGAPORE OR JAPAN OR EVEN OMAN TO KNOW WHAT ADMINISTRATION IS AND COMPARE IT WITH THE SUCIDES OF OUR FARMERS . VISIT ISRAEL (IN ONE OF YOUR FREE JAUNTS) TO SEE WHAT SECURITY IS AND COMPARE IT WITH 26/11 AND DO SOME SELF EVALUATION WHERE YOU STAND .AND BY THE WAY YOUR IFS BROTHERS CAN ONLY MAKE A FOOL OF THEMSELVES FORGOTTEN SHARM-E-SHEIKH. THE POICE CONSTABLES MAY BE IN A POOR STATE BUT BLAME LIES ON YOU OFFICERS WHO DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR SUBORDINATES. AFTER ALL AN INSECURE EGOIST WHO IS HATED BY THE COMMON MAN LIKE US CAN ONLY TRY TO GET EVEN BY HUMILATING THE ONLY FUNCTIONAL ARM OF THE CENTRAL GOVT. AND BEFORE SIGNING OFF A QUOTE FOR YOUR ILK ' FOR THOSE WHO FIGHT FOR IT(READ ARMY) , THE LIFE HAS A FLAVOUR THE SHELTERED (READ BEAURAUCRATS) WILL NEVER KNOW.
.Part-3: There are lot of embezzlement of funds in Army in name of national Security and training. No golf course in India is approved for army but Army has many golf courses in name of Training Area. Corruption in Army is difficult to exposed as everything is hide in name of security. Otherwise it��s rampant in Army. They are selling K.Oil meant for jawans, don��t takeup patrolling work properly what is their basic duty. Especially on china border the Army does patrolling work only on papers only. They are also involved in drug trafficking on borders. This is the reason the kargil happened because the army did not did his basic duty of patrolling the area even after civilians information.. The Mumbai attack is failure of Navy. These incidences shows army don��t do their work properly. The corruption in civil is only a financial impact but corruption in Army and forces have impact on national security and the human lives.
.Part-2:Many arguments are being put forth to curse the bureaucracy. The writer has commented that the IAS officers are doing only 8 hours pen pushing job in their cozy offices. It seems that the writer have no experience & knowledge what the bureaucrats are doing. No district magistrate in India gets time to reach home before late in the night. Even in the secretariat the officers sits late in the evening to work. I would claim that the pen pushing job is more in the Army. It��s very difficult in the Army to get a job done and decision making process is very slow. People don��t know working of army as they don��t have close interaction. I��ve seen many people caught in the red-tapism of Army. Army is good in showcasing in their even little achievement and spent a lot in publicizing things. I��ve seen media person being purchased by army on bottles of scotch for their favorable news. I��ve seen army personnel��s killing innocents just for medals and increasing numbers of militant killed by him. I��ve seen harassing of common people by army in name of security. And if u ever visit any of the CO;s Chamber and the Brig Chamber even in any far off places u��ll find it much more cozy and comfortable than any Chief Secretary��s Office. This is not due to corruption in the Civil admn it is because civil admn gets very little funds for facilities and comforts.
.Part-1: It��s a favorite pastime these days to bash the bureaucracy. The writer and even the commenters are in illusion that the Army is the only force working in India. But they refuse to accept that if bureaucracy had not functioned properly the country had not moved so far. Actually Army is on the mission these days to curse the bureaucracy and emotionally blackmail the countrymen for their thrust to power. That is why the writer still believes that the power comes from barrel of the gun���� so undemocratic comment in present democratic world. His aspiration for power is visible from the comment that in other countries the Army men are posted to top post. But it��s happening in India too. Many governors are Ex Generals. Rather these days I��ve found that Generals are trying hard for post retirement avenues than doing their actual job.
.The only thing that keeps India strong and united is the defence force. Once we weaken this we shall also be reuled by the Taliban, all invasions to India from Alexander to Babur have come from Kabul
.Excellant writeup but everything into deafear till UPA Govt is in power. Only viable answer to sort out AF pending issues is to use your ballot power and also convince all family members eligible for voting to vote for the right party who can look after the AF.
.Taliban, terrorist and other hostile elements on our borders and lack of security inside the country, the ex servicemen have returned the medals including gallantry awards. If these have the Govt has still not realised the importance of armed forces and the security of the country; what will
.dont worry TALIBAN are only afew steps away 47 + 62 = 109 or lets say 2009. the morale and trg of armd forces was played with in 47 / 62 and now 2009. dont worry we will live upto the expectations of MOTHER INDIA and shall be ready for sacrifice but arent these people aware of history and afraid of the consequences . some of us will have to be ready for supreme sacrifice hope after that veterans and servicemen get thier due share of respect .
.dont worry TALIBAN are only afew steps away 47 + 62 = 109 or lets say 2009. the morale and trg of armd forces was played with in 47 / 62 and now 2009. dont worry we will live upto the expectations of MOTHER INDIA and shall be ready for sacrifice but arent these people aware of history and afraid of the consequences . some of us will have to be ready for supreme sacrifice hope after that veterans and servicemen get thier due share of respect .
.Why say this combine will destroy the defence forces? They have already done it.History will never excuse them for this mischief and deliberate attempt to lower the Morale of our patriotic soldiers.Soldiers are treated like slaves in this country.Our netas only talk big but have no control over the free reined babus who are serving their own agenda of divide and rule.Its high time that people with extra ordinary power with no accountability are made accountable and reminded that they are Servants and not master.A very dangerous precedence has already been set and repercussions have to be there as defence forces can not be taken for a ride specially their IZZAT.
.India will pay heavily for the neglect of the Armed Forces thanks to the Politician - bureaucrcy combine.
Equating any other service to the Armed Forces is an insult to the Forces whether it is a matter of status or Gallantry Awards. The politicians should be called 'Netas' only if they display any leadership qualities. The Kargil Review Committee had made some recommendations. Why are they not implemented?
.Dear Censerv,
Have some decency while writting in public forum. Firstly the author never said that IAS/IPS are not working but merely asked why there is no parity. we civilians know very well who is corrupt and who is staight forward. I am not saying that military is not a holy cow. But it is only organisation in india which stil has some values and ethics compared to most useless central services which you belong. the tone tenacity of the words which you used against a senior officer from military only shows your upbringing. You are no one to kick such a senior officer. I believe if they kick you will get hurt more(i believe they have nails in their boots). use sensible words and if you disagree with someones ideas or facts pse put it up in a polite manner. we the citizens of india firmly belive that it is you babus who need to be kicked first. you are the most corrupt lot when compared to military. if you want me to put up facts as per polls in respect of who is most corrupt, then you will have no place to hide your stinking face. have soem respect for the only organisation in which people have some faith.
pse improve
chitra
.Censerv, your comment is like saying that a cancer patient has dandruff, therefore he should not be treated for cancer! What is the connection between sahayaks and the issues brought out in the post? You obviously must be a section or desk officer, since you do not even know the basic decency of what to say and what not to say - you want to kick the author? Talks a lot about our babudom, I must say. Should pack the lot of you off to Siachen for a year - will teach you some respect for the forces.
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